LEVEL 035 - LEMMINGS

ChristinaC
Saturday, August 24, 1996 1:52 AM
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Thanks, Barbara. What I do for lvl 35 may vary with the way other Chipsters do it. I take one block and push it up on in the middle where the fireballs are. Then, when safe, push it one to the right. Then, when safe, push it again to the right one. Sometimes, I put a second block on top of that, and sometimes, I don't. But, I always take a block inside with me to push to the left. I hope this helps. Let me know if you need something else.

Christina

MP2102
Monday, September 16, 1996 11:14 PM
Chip's Challenge msn

Kathy,

When you push the 1st block just past the end of the wall, the fireballs will either come out in a nice little row with the rest forming a line inside OR after the first little row, a more rowdy group will come piling out. The 2nd option is preferable ~ no way to tell which will occure. Either way scoot down and get another block. You can then wait right there next to that exiting row with your block. IF the remaining fireballs are marching in a line you can push your block up one and two to the left of the first block. This will break up the line and they will soon exit, so scoot back down and get another block if you think you'll need it. By the time you're ready to enter most will have cleared except for a group to the left by the chips and you can most likely use that 2nd block to push to the lower left area. Jump underneath the fireballs with your block 2nd row out from the Chips. Carefully move the block up one tile at a time and the fire balls will exit to the right. Keep going up till you reach the top protruding wall tile. Stop there. Collect Chips and your home! ~~~OR if you're lucky at the beginning and most of the fireballs poured out , you can go straight up and push that 2nd block just under the protruding wall block and when it seems reasonably clear bravely push the block straight to the left and you'll have placed the block just where you want it to make the fireballs depart. Of course you'll have to be on the lookout to dodge danger! BTW is there another term for "protruding wall block"!? Sorry to be so long winded but maybe some of this will help~hope so.

Maybelle

avoith
Tuesday, September 17, 1996 3:38 AM
Chip's Challenge msn

Kathy,

I now have a score of 535 on this level. Here's my trick: Take three blocks, and use them to close off the opening (place them so they are even with the rest of the wall). Then, starting at the left, push each block up one. Then, going back to the left, push the left most block up one. Push the center block up two, and push the right hand block two spaces to the left. Be quick, and get out of there fast!

While the fireballs come pouring out (and they will!) go back and get another block. At first the fireballs come out in bunches, but in a few seconds, you will see that they form a line and head right for the water. As soon as this happens, it's pretty safe to go in with your 4th block. Push it up through the rightmost square of the opening all the way until you are one square below the wall jut-out, then push left.

If there are fireballs in the center section, wait for an opening, and push your block into the middle of the circle. Then, as soon as you have the chance, push it into the line of fireballs that are coming up on the left half of the fireball circle. You should be able to go above and pick up those chips. Then, push the block to the left.

This is the trickiest part for me...you have to wait for a little opening in the fireballs on the letmost wall. When you get one, push your block all the way to the wall. The fireballs should hit it and start across the room, never to be seen again. I pick up the chips above my block, then (if there are still fireballs coming) begin pushing the block down, picking up chips on the way. You should run out of fireballs before you get to the bottom.

Picking up the last few chips is easy, if you've gotten this far.

Good Luck!

Alice

LAPIERS
Tuesday, September 17, 1996 12:54 PM
Chip's Challenge msn

Thanks Alice.

I read your posting and immediately signed off to give it a try. I have a question though. In the first paragraph you describe how to move the 1st 3 blocks. After moving the one on the left up one, and the one in the center up two, are you sure you mean to move the right tile two spaces to the left ? I find it impossible to get around to the right of it to make that move. Is it possible you meant to type move it two spaces to the right? I sure hope so. I'm going back to try it some more times...both ways.

Thanks again,

Kathy

avoith
Tuesday, September 17, 1996 2:18 PM
Chip's Challenge msn

OOPS!

(That's a great big oops, by the way.) You are absolutely correct. Two spaces to the RIGHT!

Sorry if i got you killed a few times trying the wrong way.

Alice

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Maybelle! I finally figured out where I was going wrong following your directions! The first sentence of your instructions.."When you push the 1st block just past the end of the wall,..." didn't specify which wall, and for reasons I can't explain I always assumed you meant the right wall!. Well, (duh) the lightbulb finally went off and I pushed it just past the left wall, and while I couldn't manage your next set, which was to go to lower left, I was able to go up, left & down. My new score on level 35 : 558

Thank you Maybelle!

John
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Kathy,

Actually I went both ways. Sometimes I would use the block at the top left and sometimes at the bottom left. The lemmers would seem to exit fast and smooth though when I was using the block at the bottom near the exit. What I was really trying to do though and was never quite successful at was while the lemmers were exiting, to go up through them (no block) and get those three chips at the top and the one at the bottom. (dodging fire balls most of the way) I came close a couple of times. I think there was 575 or so on the clock when I was doing that. If (and it is a big if) I could have gotten back down and put the block into position (on the lower) no telling what the score could have been. But anyway in answer to your question, what seemed best for me was using the block in the lower left. But the top didn't give to bad of results either.

John H

John
10-10-96
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Fellow Chipsters,

There is another way on Level 35. Use Maybelle's method to get thru first batch of fireballs. Then place the second block about half way up into the second batch of fireballs. Now go down and take bottom chip then go up just to the right of the third batch of fireballs. A path will clear for you. Take the top three chips and for some reason I haven't figured out yet the fireballs near the chips on the left side ARE EXITING. Get the last 6 chips there on the left and exit. Just did it. 562 on Level 35.

John H      10/10/96

John
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I was thinking of posting a message to the fact that If one is wasting a lot of time trying for the surreal experience there is even another way. (oh no not another way. Oh no) Yes. In general, place the first block as normal. ( I have tried many ways without it but that is sort of an insurance that the firballs will exit and won't come back at you. Anyway onward...lets see place the first block as always then go get a second block then go strait up about half way then push the block hard left thru the line of fireballs going down then in about the center of the larger fireball circle go strait up with the block. Place the block two below the left chip of the three top chips. Hook around the block and take the first chip, wait for it to clear or form a pattern of fireballs so you can get the last two chips of the three. The fireballs are exiting while you are doing this. Now when it is clear push the block one to the left of the protruding wall block (the one facing down) Then go on about the business of collecting the chips on the left and the bottom one. This is not the exotic way but you'll get times quite often of 560. With a little luck probably more. I know what you mean about the other way. Horrible waste of time for just a few points. However the way I just described may help you catch a few more points without waiting for "the miracle". J

Good Luck,

John H

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Maybelle,

Second post about the surreal way: You only worked on it for an hour and an half? I spent almost four hours on it yesterday trying to figure out the why's and what fors about it. Anyway the lane will open for you just to the right of the fireballs guarding the chips on the left. I wait for the lane to open just at the point where I take the bottom chip. Above that is the lane up to the top chips. Now when I say I wait there, it is a general statement because you are dodging fireballs coming from the right. However you will know if you have it right because if I rembember right........It's like recalling a dream (no I didn't just dream this way) all of a sudden the fireballs on the left depart. You can almost stroll up to the 3 chips at the top. And what is even more weird all the fireballs are gone....when you come down the left side collecting the last chips. The cruel thing about this level is even after you defeat the outside fireballs you still have one lurking behind the chip socket. Oh never let me have a 570 or so and have that fireball get me. Anyway have some fun with it. Great Idea about having your favorite music on while your doing this level. I ONLY DID IT THIS WAY ONCE. 562

John H

Alice
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Well, i've been playing this level for DAYS, trying to get my score up there, and trying all of the various combinations. Finally decided to check the bbs again, and realized that <gulp> i have the high score on this level! 563! I did manage to figure out a few things, and my way is a combination of almost everything everyone recommends.

In answer to John's question about why the third group of fireballs sometimes goes away, i believe it is as follows: when you put the block under the column of descending fireballs in the center group, the fireballs shoot left (which is what enables you to go to the bottom and get that chip). For the most part, the fireballs shooting left from the block you placed hit each other, and tend to stay in their cluster, but the chip on the bottom is also protecting the third set of fireballs from interferance by the second group. Any fireballs which make it back to the bottom will caroom into the third group of fireballs and distrupt it.

Now...for how i managed to get the 263 (sort of a fluke, but..what the heck, i'll take it). I can get 260 pretty reliably with this method.

Begin with Maybelle's method, pushing your first block into the leftmost square of the opening into the room, and up two, exiting quickly (D, R) to get out of the way before the fireballs come out.

Immediately get your second block and wait just until the fireballs clear before pushing it up through the center opening in the wall. Using John's method, push it up to about the middle and head left. Crash through the line of descending fireballs, and push the chip until just before the line of fireballs going up. What you will probably see is a fireball sort of "riding" on top of the block as you push it. More on this later.

Push the block up until you reach the row just below the wall jut-out then left one space. (The upper left corner of the block and the lower right corner of the wall jut-out will be touching.) Now, collect the three chips above you. Remember that fireball that was "riding" on top of the block as you pushed it through to the left hand side? Probably happened is, it keeps hitting other fireballs and traveling on the inside of the circle. This one could give you trouble, since it won't hit the block, but will come into your "work area" while you are collecting your three chips. It shouldn't give you much trouble, as eventually the fireballs below it will clear out, and it will procede on it's way to the exit, but i've gotten killed a few times not watching for it. You are safe above the block while thie maverick circles the work area a few times.

Finally, when it is safe, push the block two spaces to the left. This will cause the fireballs in the third group to exit in a big way. As soon as they have cleared out of the upper section, push the block one more to the left (so it is touching the wall) and collect the chips, pushing the block down as you go, to direct any straggling fireballs to the exit.

I still get caught sometimes, if i don't wait long enough for the fireballs to clear out, generally this works for me, and is the way i got the 563. also, many, many 561's and 562's. I'm sure there's a 570 in here for somebody, when everything goes perfectly!

As you can see, i've used nearly everyone's ideas.

Alice

LimoJohn
Wednesday, September 03, 1997 12:19 AM
Newsgroups: msn.forums.computergames.classic

Ok you have the second block. Just as the last fireball is moving under the first block go by it with the second block (just to the right of course) and go strait up till you get one tile below the little wall pointing down from the top. Go left with the block and insert block into the next bunch of fireballs. The block will be one tile to the left of the little wall that comes down. The fireballs will flow down and away. Now move the block over to just right of the little wall that comes down on the other side. You will be inserting block into fire balls on that side now. If you have done it right the fireballs will be flowing to the right in a nice neet row and you can get the chips at the top. To be continued.......get that far and we will talk some more. If fact you may see what needs to be done from there but if not give a shout.

Limo

LimoJohn
Wednesday, September 03, 1997 9:01 PM
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Hope your nails aren't bleeding to badly M.

Ok......you have the block just to the right of the little wall coming down on the left side and you have collected the top chips. Stay just above the block until the last couple of fireballs come up and hit it and move on to the right.

Next........DON'T push the block all the way left just yet. Just move it over just to the left of the little wall. You will see the fireballs bunch up in that little area (top left corner) and then they will go away.

THEN.... PUSH THE BLOCK left AGAINST THE WALL AND BEGIN TAKING CHIPS ABOVE BLOCK

..to be continued

Limo

LimoJohn
Wednesday, September 03, 1997 9:21 PM
Newsgroups: msn.forums.computergames.classic

OK....you have the block at the left wall and you have taken the chips above the block now move the block down as you take the other chips along the left wall. You may choose to leave the block behind but I take it with me. OK now were moving the block down and taking the chips as we go.

Collect chips and stop the block just above the last row (or to put it another way just above the exit row) Now go right and take the last chip then go over and clear the chip socket and then tuck up under the block waiting for the fireball in the exit area to clear and then go on home.

This is the basic route but there are things to do on the way that help increase time. Such as: When you insert a block into row of fireballs make it in between fireballs without having to try two or more times. Move as soon as it is safe to do so when moving block. Try and move the second block into play just as the last fireball is going by the first block.

Don't let the fireballs distract you. I think the best thing is to know not to try and move the second block left until those last two or sometimes 3 fireballs hit the block and move right. If you need more give a shout.

Limo

Kevin Gordon
Tuesday, October 07, 1997 4:40 PM
email to Chip's site

Alice et al,

I just got a 565 on level 35. I used the hints from your page along with a little boldness and timing. Here are the basics: After placing second block at top of board, I wait for a single fireball to enter the small chamber, then a "double" fireball before pushing straight left. I clear the three chips above, then watch for two fireballs to hit the block. After the second one, I begin moving the block left two spaces. After the fireballs fill the chamber I've created, they back up and leave. I clear the top two chips, move the block down as I clear the next chip, then go around the block to get the remaining chips from the left side. Finally, I get the chip at the bottom and open the socket. Then I step aside and run in after the last fireball comes out. But the biggest tip is probably this one. I watch the clock as I begin the level. If the first "second" ticks off the clock too quickly, I restart with a Ctrl-P, Ctrl-N combination. On this level, you should get down to the first corner before the clock strikes 599.

Kevin Gordon

Kevin Gordon
Wednesday, November 05, 1997 3:06 PM
email to Chip's site

Okay, here's another try at breaking the high score on Level 35. I was a little more fearless in the upper left corner and didn't wait for the two fireballs to bounce before shoving the block to the left. It gained me two seconds! Anyway, I think the high is still 567 unless LIMOJOHN has already popped my bubble again . I just got 568 ...!

Kevin Gordon

Kevin Gordon
Monday, November 24, 1997 10:10 AM
email to Chip's site

I hope I'm not too late to report an improvement on my Lemmings high score of 569. I changed the pattern slightly and I can now get a 570 consistently. I had been running around the block to get the next to last chip, now I just keep pushing it down and then push it back up one when I sidestep the fireball guarding the exit. Or has LIMOJOHN beaten me to it again? ;-)

I'll keep on trying,

Kevin Gordon